so after being on vacation for a week and not playing for couple days after getting back, i got back on the FT horse today. did 2 $5 sngs, took 2nd in one against ridiculous luckbox, no cash in the other
did $2 rebuy, in for $10. i was final table bubbleboy, for a whopping $1 profit, and this joke is how it happened after I played damn near perfect poker throughout...
Full Tilt Poker Game #7715868979: $2 + $0.25 Rebuy (58570431), Table 5 - 2000/4000 Ante 500 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:33:37 ET - 2008/08/19
Seat 1: Jlusafer (56,797)
Seat 2: jl131 (44,050)
Seat 4: megowen (26,361)
Seat 5: Dumont 3 (106,018)
Seat 6: biggord (37,725)
Jlusafer antes 500
jl131 antes 500
megowen antes 500
Dumont 3 antes 500
biggord antes 500
Jlusafer posts the small blind of 2,000
jl131 posts the big blind of 4,000
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jl131 [Ac Ts]
megowen has 15 seconds left to act
megowen folds
Dumont 3 folds
biggord folds
Jlusafer raises to 56,297, and is all in
jl131 calls 39,550, and is all in
Jlusafer shows [3c 3h]
jl131 shows [Ac Ts]
Uncalled bet of 12,747 returned to Jlusafer
*** FLOP *** [8d Jc 3d]
*** TURN *** [8d Jc 3d] [Th]
*** RIVER *** [8d Jc 3d Th] [5s]
Jlusafer shows three of a kind, Threes
jl131 shows a pair of Tens
Jlusafer wins the pot (89,600) with three of a kind, Threes
jl131 stands up
unreal. what a ridiculously idiotic shove, and of course i read it right and he had about as much of a hand as i expected, and it still blows up in my face. i want to puke.
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His shove was fine. Curious to see the cardrunners for this one if you think you played perfect poker.
Tough break dude, but totally standard.
not sure how u think thats a fine, standard shove - shove 14xBB with 33 - he's gotta hope i have absolutely nothing, in which case a standard raise, even 2.5xBB, gets me out, otherwise he's gonna be racing if he's lucky, as it was, or completely crushed and crippled. very dumb play imo with 33. 77 or better, ok, not 33
He can't make a standard sized raise man, cuz if you call, he's OOP and the pot is about the size of his stack and the odds he spikes a 3 on the flop isn't good. If he's got a read that you're tight enough he could even shove ATC there just to pick up the blinds. The different between your range of calling a raise and your range for calling a shove is large (or at least it should be).
Most people call BvB shoves with about top 15%. That means he has ~an 85% chance that you fold to his shove. I'm sure if you break down an EV calculation, him shoving had plenty of +EV.
33 is a great hand to shove bvb as well because against a lot of your calling range he's racing.
So long story short, he wasn't making a "value" shove, he was shoving because that was the best way to pick up the pot from his position with the cards he was dealt.
Very, very standard.
FWIW I shove a lot worse than 33 bvb in the SB with 14bb.
forgot to mention if he makes a standard raise it also opens to door for you to 3bet shove, in which case he's in a marginal spot with 33.
Standard raise at his depth from SB with 33 would be a terrible play.
crush me & you just have completely different strategies and styles i guess - this is not a play i would ever make with 33 or atc, at this stage of the tourney. At FT, maybe, but at this point, it's equivalent of scotty at ME last year - no reason to risk blow up on FT bubble with such a marginal hand imo. Two things can happen here, either steal just the BB and antes, and maybe move up one spot in chips, or get crippled and probably bubble out. so he's essentially risking 44k (size of my stack) to win 8500. silly. any hand that is folding to his shove would also fold to 2.5x raise. any hand that is calling his shove is also calling 2.5x raise, or reraising - like you said, he opens possiblity of 3-bet, but guess what, if i have a hand to 3-bet, i also have a hand to call the shove. at least if he raises and i shove, he can still get away have avg stack with 10 players left. ultimately he did nothing to dramatically improve his chance to win the tourney (and in fact he ended up finishing 5th), while taking a major risk that he could blow the whole thing.
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